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Distro personal crisys (an open letter to myself... )


 
I do not really understand, why you consider a Distro that brings all the stuff (like the snap nonsense), that is degrading Ubuntu, while you dont consider to take Ubuntu right away.
I also do not subscribe to the false analogy of SysV init and apt/dpkg/any Linux package management. Especially snap is absolutely not better than a classical package management, while systemd in fact solves some design problems of SysVinit quite good.

As far as I can see today, Debian will sty my No1 choice for the server, if Ubuntu would really choose to abandon apt/dpkg I would consider Suse and Arch (in that order) for the desktop...
 
 
It's nice that everyone has a choice in what they use. It's also good to be able to try different things. I spent years doing just that. Then I noticed something. No matter what new system I decided to try, I kept coming back to Ubuntu. So that's what I use now all the time.
 
To some extent its similar here, @Don Little. The main advantage of Ubuntu is for me, that I can easily configure it to look and act as I wish (that is: differently as the Ubuntu default).
Ubuntu offers a somewhat modernized Debian with professionally maintained Repos, so, one can use it comfortably with XFCE (Fluxbox, Plasma you name it) its a top notch Linux if used without accepting all the Canonical stuff...
 
 
I don't have anything about piece a code, it is what there is around that code that is quite annoying for me.

However it seems we are missing the point here. I use Debian only as Desktop OS, I use it with testing and with the pinning enabled. I use a FrankenDebian there's no way for me to wait 2 years for use application that are available now, I can handle the crash it is just my computer.

I already reported as Debian is loosing ground as distro for server, but as distro for desktop is even worst, unless you are totally insensitive to any improvements, like my brother, but it is also insensitive about Debian Xfce or Xubuntu, he just uses what I installed for him. But this is not my case! I use Debian because the social contract and because it can run also a rolling distro, however I think it needs to redefine its objectives and bringing back a clear identity that it is not just being stable. There are a plenty of stable distros that are rock solid.
 
My little HP Mini is at the moment running MX, which is Debian based. It's only got two Gigs of ram, so I needed something light. It seems to work really well on it, although I use my desktop computer most of the time. It's way faster.
 
Thanks to all to reply, now let me go one for one...
 
If you dislike systemd, then you may want to take a look at the Gentoo family (Sabayon, Calculate, Funtoo, Redcore, Gentoo itself, and a couple of others I don't remember now). Among them only Sabayon uses systemd by default. Gentoo-based distros are fast and really stable. With time, you really grow fond of emerge too. It is not that hard.
 
I already gave up with systemd but I haven't stopped to complain about it, I am pretty concerned that all the distro you mention aren't Desktop oriented like Ubuntu or Pop_OS! do.
 
I think that people who want to use more current software than Debian Stable typically use Debian Unstable.

Debian Testing is more something useful for people who want to help Debian development - in particular help development of Debian Stable. It is not as well supported as either Stable or Unstable, and you have periods like the current status - during a freeze you have to live with having no more non-security updates while things are prepared for the release of the next Stable.

I use Debian mostly as a desktop OS; even my main server is used as a desktop PC attached to my main TV. I generally prefer Debian Stable as it reduces my headaches. But if there's some killer feature not available in Stable I'll use Unstable.
 
I have been always using Testing toward Unstable, Experimental and Multimedia just because if something got wrong with the display server in Unstable you will find this fixed in Testing, most of the time.

Debian is supposed to use as stable but I like the rolling way, I am not a developer I just like the rolling system but I always find Arch too much extreme and beside the social contract I have always preferred using community distro.

But if Debian would be, hypothetically, available only in the stable form probably I wouldn't use it as main distro.
 
 
Just to clarify... there is nothing wrong in Debian it is just my relationship with Debian that is having some trouble. I think that Debian needs to change something to make it modern, it needs to define its role because Debian is for server is, in my opinion, quite washed as label.

As I wrote you can constantly changing yourself if you follow your principles, Debian can be fluid, it doesn't have any income budget to reach, it is not for profit hence is free to do whatever it decides; but I look around and I see the people are happy with Debian as is, so it is my personal issue, and since the moment I can't change Debian probably I had better to change distro instead. This is eventually the point.
 
What alternatives are you considering?
 
Hi Man,

glad to see you here!

Since the moment my Laptop is a System76 one, the natural choice is Pop!_Os. I am already starting to compare Ubuntu with Pop! and I found the latter more intuitive than Ubuntu...
 
Hi Daniel, great to see you here too. The Diaspora pod I was on has been closed. So this is currently my only social media account.

I heard of Pop!_Os but never used it myself. I should try it sometime. I currently use Ubuntu MATE on my Desktop PC and like it so much that I want to install it on my (very old) laptop too but it never hurts to try something else.

We'll keep in touch.
 
I see...

I use Friendica as main account and Diaspora from my phone. Pop!_Os is pretty neat, I mean it is almost a carbon copy of Ubuntu but it has its philosophy...

https://pop.system76.com/docs/difference-between-pop-ubuntu/

I tried Mate on Debian but eventually I found Xfce4 more modular, along wayland that is not a priority for me, Xfce4 needs just an integrated dock and an expose-like function to be almost perfect. It has a bad copy of the Gnome-Shell activity that is completely useless and ugly.

You know what? I installed Devuan (testing/beowulf) + Runit on my working virtual machine and it is blazing fast, unbelievable, so fast that I would install it on my other laptop with Debian Testing. I am pretty sure the culprit is Lightdm however I really recommend it, I am not sure if with OpenRC is the same faster because I decided to use Runit.
 
I use systemd-nspawn to play with a lot of crap however it was designed to run server-side applications. When I try to run applications that need to access to the GPU they crash because the Nvidia-driver. Probably with an opensource driver it would not happens. Anyway this is not a desktop solution. But yesterday I checked the Gimp available on Pop!_Os and because it wasn't the latest I simply installed snapd and did snap install gimp, this is desktop oriented.
 
@Debacle

I see in the NIX system a great improvement, if you combine APT with NIX you don't need anymore to have 3 branches but you can have simply a stable version with all the testing packages always in rolling state until you don't decide to freeze your status for whatever reason...
 
@Debacle Honestly I haven't understood yet the difference between the two but I think they work almost the same... 😅
 
@Debacle

Thanks for sharing that video, it was very interesting.